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Warning: Insulting Content

Joe,

Some of the text of your argument in Matthew 1:8--specifically, the sections regarding JP Holding--insult Holding as a person, rather than critiquing the ideas he presents in an academic context. While I understand that you and Holding have had problems in the past, we're trying to avoid personalities here and discuss the actual issues.

Please rephrase your argument so as to comply with Rule 1: "Critique is okay, but there must be no insults, either to persons or to ideas. The tone should be academic, even witty, but not acerbic."

Thanks,

--JustinEiler 15:03, 5 Sep 2005 (CDT)

"Hi Justin. I see absolutely nothing in my 1:8 article that insults Holding. Please identify to me exactly what you see as insulting. Thanks."

Followup:

While we're on the subject of Holding here I asked the Admins here to invite Holding to argue against Genealogy error. He declined. Regarding my attempts to engage Holding in Argument:
1) His site doesn't allow any type of open posting.
2) My site has never had any Censorship what so ever. He has never posted there.
3) At Tweb where he selectively debates under Fundamentalist Moderation and primary Membership the Owner has currently banned me for titling a post:
"Gonna Roll Away The Stones And Win Father A New Pair Of Jews"
Which then became the title for my Review of "The Empty Tomb" at Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/159102286X/ref=cm_rv_thx_view/102-1435806-2580904?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
which they immediately posted.
Holding's current description of me is:
http://www.tektonics.org/parody/trophyroom.html
"1.21 Joe "Wally" Wallack
1.21.1 Wally Begs for Mercy
--Follow the link to see Wally's debates with me why he asked for help. It didn't help. More on Wally here. He's scared of me he hasn't updated his page in over a year. Wally is also a crass maker of anti-Semitic remarks, which tells you what sort of people Brooks thinks are role models.
[hosted by the Anti-Defamation League]"


JW: I conclude from this that Holding does not want to debate Genealogy error here because he knows his argument is weak. Thus, more evidence for Error. The top Internet Apologist is afraid to argue against in a fairly moderated and polite Forum.

Do you actually use insults or call Holding names? No, you do not: but your argument is against the person, not against their arguments. Holding's behavior is utterly irrelevant to the GMatthew text arguments.

--JustinEiler 17:25, 5 Sep 2005 (CDT)

(As a side note: if you will please, respond here. I evidently don't have my Talk link set up correctly. Hey, just like everyone else here, I'm still learning the software and the interface.)


Hi Justin. The way to hurt JP Holding is not to insult him but to publicize Errors In The Christian Bible. So I've done far more than insult Holding. I've hurt him and I wish to go on hurting him. Just kidding. Souly because you ask and not because I think you have demonstrated any insult on my part, I will prune the article until it meets with your satisfaction (as opposed to your approval). The Price I'll take considering that everything above is true is that I'll do it within 24 hours.


Joseph

"I've hurt him and I wish to go on hurting him."

That's funny ... you don't look a thing like Ricardo Montalbon. :D

Souly because you ask and not because I think you have demonstrated any insult on my part, I will prune the article until it meets with your satisfaction (as opposed to your approval).

Thank you, Joe. And please realize that I'm not fussing at you. You've got a great argument--from where I sit, the comments on Holding actually detract from the strength of the argument itself. I don't want to see your work derided or ignored because of other issues--let it stand on its own merits.

Again, thanks.

--JustinEiler 19:03, 5 Sep 2005 (CDT)